JOHNNY CARSON, LEE MARVIN, JUNE, 1980

Johnny Carson, the once and future king of late night talk shows, had Lee Marvin on The Tonight Show as a guest fairly frequently whenever the actor was promoting an upcoming project. In the summer of 1980, he did just that when The Big Red One was about to be released (the clip they show of it is terrific!)

Lee Marvin’s dapper entrance on Johnny Carson’s TONIGHT SHOW gives his customary greeting to Doc Severinsen and the band.

I discovered the entire show was posted on YouTube thanks to frequent blog follower, Shawn Marengo, god bless her. As she aptly pointed out to me, Marvin looked quite dapper in his 3-piece, apparently custom-made suit. May have been one of the handful of suits he purchased for the infamous palimony suit, according to his lawyer, David Kagon.

Screen grab showing Johnny Carson & Lee Marvin discussing THE BIG RED ONE.

Marvin and Carson were good friends, although I don’t know if they ever socialized outside of the show. Not that it matters as they have a very easy report with each other, as shown in the way Marvin subtlety corrects Carson on the pronunciation of the film’s title. They also joke amusingly about WWII reunions with former Marine Colonel Ed McMahon brought into the conversation. Marvin does fib a bit when he says he never goes to such reunions as his first wife gave details of his presence at such reunions to this author in Lee Marvin Point Blank.
Since the show was still in its one and a half hour format, feel free to do as I did and skip over the segment of Kenny Rogers and Kim Carnes to get to Lee Marvin at around the 51 minute mark. Ironically, although he probably isn’t aware of it, Marvin’s good friend James Whitmore is in a commercial during his segment to hawk dog food. There’s also a humorous segment with Buck Henry that Marvin sticks around to participate in. Remember when talk show guests used to do that?

Anyway, without further ado, I give you The Tonight Show, circa June 25, 1980. Enjoy!
– Dwayne Epstein

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MITCH RYAN TURNS 92 TODAY!

Mitch Ryan, the veteran actor of film, TV and stage has turned ninety-two years old today! He made his film debut in his twenties in the Robert Mitchum cult classic, Thunder Road (1958), returned to the stage and then didn’t make another film until his appearance as Shorty in the Lee Marvin classic, Monte Walsh (1970). Naturally, it was his work in that underrated western that made him the subject of my intense interest. In fact, here’s a story  that I’ve never told publicly before that I think says volumes about the man’s character.

(L-R) Lee Marvin, Mitch Ryan and Jack Palance in MONTE WALSH.

I had attempted to interview him several times over the years but the attempt was often in vain. Lee Marvin’s lawyer, David Kagon, knew Ryan and contacted him for me while I was in Kagon’s office. Ryan was polite but firm. He said he had to honor Pam Marvin’s wishes and not speak to me.
Okay, flash forward a few years and I’m still working on the book and attempting more interviews. I don’t recall how but I came in contact with Ryan again. This time, however, he was infinitely more receptive and agreed to a phone interview. The result was one of the most revealing and useful interviews I ever got as he was a great friend to Marvin throughout the remainder of his life. Our talk can be read in the pages of Lee Marvin Point Blank and it is both impressive and poignantly revealing.
After the book came out, Jeff Mantor invited me to a Q&A Book signing at his legendary store, Larry Edmunds Bookshop on the dirty boulevard of Hollywood. He encouraged me to invite a celebrity who knew Marvin to help sell books. Not many of my interview subjects were still around but when I asked Mr. Ryan…..

Mitch Ryan at the Larry Edmunds book signing enthusiastically shows off his prized possession.

 

What a guy, huh? I’m telling ya, not just a wonderful actor but a true mensch. We dined at Musso & Franks before the signing (on my publisher’s dime) and had a wonderful time at the signing itself. I can’t say enough about this great man so happy birthday, Mitch, and here’s to many more. You’re aces in my book! And thanks to your help, it’s a NY Times bestseller!
– Dwayne Epstein

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ON THE RECENT PASSING OF PAM MARVIN

No sooner had I learned of the passing Lee Marvin’s first wife, Betty, did I discover the passing of his second wife, Pam Marvin, a few weeks later. Strange coincidence without a doubt, but also something that would not get much mention other than this blog, apparently.
I tried several times while researching Lee Marvin Point Blank to get Pam Marvin to agree to an interview but without any luck. It’s unfortunate as I think she would have contributed greatly to the final product.

Pam Marvin’s book, Lee: A Romance.

Her own story and her years with Lee Marvin were chronicled in her own book, Lee: A Romance which I read when it came out and went so far as to let Pam Marvin know her book would not conflict with my project.

I guess she felt differently. As I said, it’s unfortunate she felt that way as I would have welcomed her thoughts for inclusion in my work much the same way Lee’s first wife Betty and I did when she penned her book, Tales of a Hollywood Housewife. Pam’s book is a worthy read and recommended to get another point of view on her husband’s life and work.
I’d like to point out, despite my not being able to interview her at the time, I wish her family and friends my condolences on her the event of her death. I still believe in the old adage of respecting the passing of a human’s life and would have liked to have met her. She stood by her husband during the infamous palimony suit and was in court during every day of the trial. That could not have been easy.

Lee & Pam Marvin during the infamous palimony suit.

They had of course a shared history of growing up in Woodstock N.Y. and together they apparently visited there often. Lee’s brother, Robert, shared this picture of one those visits…

Lee and Pam visiting Robert and Joan Marvin in the 70s in New York.

She also went with Lee on location when his films called for schleps to such far flung places as Malta for the filming of Shout at the Devil

Lee, with ever-present cigarette and wife Pam on location for SHOUT AT THE DEVIL.

 

 

 

 

 

For such reasons and more, I again offer my condolences to her loved ones. Personally, my failed attempt to contact her was of course a disappointment, especially since she eventually agreed to speak with me at one point at the urging of her attorney, David Kagon. Kagon had represented Lee during the palimony suit and as Lee Marvin Point Blank readers know, gave a wonderful account of that episode in Lee and Pam’s life. After several refusals, Kagon did get Pam Marvin to reconsider and sent me the following letter….

Pam Marvin’s response to my many interview requests.

I of course did indeed send a list of questions. I never got a response. More is the pity. Rest in Peace, Pam.

– Dwayne Epstein

 

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